Van: "Integral World" Aan: Onderwerp: Wilber and Laszlo Datum: donderdag 3 april 2014 9:43 INTEGRAL WORLD MAILING LIST =========================== http://www.integralworld.net Newsletter Nr. 498 Amsterdam, April 3rd, 2014 WILBER AND LASZLO - Two Authors of Evolutionary Fiction - FRANK VISSER Both authors aim at a "general theory of evolution", which covers not only the biological domain, but also the domains of mind, culture and society. My objections to Wilber's take on biological evolution have been that, in order to promote his spiritual theory of evolution ("There is an Eros in the Kosmos", a cosmic "drive towards self-organization"), he caricaturizes the neo-Darwinism point of view beyond recognition—a strategy well known among creationists and spiritualists. By stating that science tries to understand the complexities of biological evolution as wholly based on random chance—a ridiculous simplification—he can claim that "something other than chance is pushing the universe". That "something other", in Wilber's universe, is Eros. How does Laszlo's general theory of evolution compare to this? Is it more grounded in science? Does it avoid the pitfalls of creationism and Intelligent Design and does it faithfully represent neo-Darwinian evolutionary theory? Read more: http://www.integralworld.net/visser67.html POOR WILBERITES WHO ARE NEVER ALLOWED TO LIVE IN THE HERE AND NOW - MARTIN ERDMANN When you arrive at turquoise you have transcended all previous stages. According to Wilber these have an important function to fulfill. Without the lower stages there is no way to get to the higher turquoise level. All previous stages are necessary in terms of the overall growth and development. You have to pass through each of these levels. None of them can be skipped. Turquoise, in its turn now, is a stage you have to go through to get to the higher indigo. The Wilberite aspires to climb higher and higher on Wilber's ladder like scheme, somewhat mitigated by his later discovered waves. This does not help the Wilberite to live in the Here and Now. His gaze is always fixed on the next higher stage or wave to be attained. Never satisfied with the way things are, he always looks to the future. You cannot live in the future. You can only live in the Here and Now. So the Wilberite, who is always occupied with the future, never really lives. Read more: http://www.integralworld.net/erdmann10.html FINAL RESPONSE TO SMITH - ANONYMOUS 2 While I am in some sense flattered to have been mistaken with the author of the Illuminati books, that is something I cannot claim. Doing so would mean taking credit for the millions of lines I did not write. I am however familiar with a wide range of philosophers, many of which are mentioned in the AC website. I took it upon myself to write a response addressing your concerns in regards to Illuminati ideas and philosophy. While, in doing so, there is of course potential for misinterpretation, that is, my views not matching, or even contradicting in some cases those of the authentic Illuminati, in this endeavor, it is something that I must assume. Iluminism is first and foremost an continually evolving philosophy and set of principles, not a dogma. The difference from the later being that one can freely use the concepts, without fear of going into heresy. That being said, in this reply, I've tried to provide references/extracts wherever possible. Read more: http://www.integralworld.net/anonymous5.html To SUBSCRIBE to this Integral World Newsletter or change your email address, click here: http://www.integralworld.net/pommo/user/subscribe.php To UNSUBSCRIBE, update your account by logging in. For explanation, see: http://www.integralworld.net/nl_faq.html